tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post116555057785649719..comments2007-11-27T07:46:37.438-05:00Paul J. Beelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14955040380680523554noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-63831122355885901772007-11-27T07:46:00.000-05:002007-11-27T07:46:00.000-05:00To offer a rebuttal to my own post (one just before), I stumbled on this very relevant thread in mere minutes from my last posting!! (talk about fate at work????)<BR/><BR/>http://cataclysm.cx/2007/01/20/optimise-for-fun/<BR/><BR/>And to follow with a counter-rebuttal-rebuttal, my emphasis was on "aspirations", and not making AROS a "serious OS".<BR/><BR/>To be honest, I see things from this angle:<BR/><BR/>I *hate* Windows with a passion. As a software engineer I detest every piece of it (OK - not every - some are OK, but not most).<BR/><BR/>I quite like Unix and close derivatives - Linux offered a sanity to the x86 world, when Windows was the only other choice - no thanks.<BR/><BR/>Yet, I believe Unix is not good enough any more (X11 was cool at a time, but having had a taste of Apple's Cocoa and Core Image, Core Animation and other techs, X11 is crap. Apple's got the future in their pocket). Some of its (Unix) concepts are good, but overall, we need to break away from similar systems. We have to think different, because computers are changing, especially with the massively parallel CPUs and GPUs that are starting to appear everywhere. Computing power allows for more powerful, yet simpler languages, and thus different "songs" (programs) to be written about. New paradigms. Hardware is also becoming reconfigurable at quite a fast pace. It might even be possible that software becomes "hardened" again (think anti-machine and data-centric computing). Even UIs are going in for a major change now that we have multi-touch and multi-dimensional spatial sensing devices.<BR/><BR/>So I guess I was hoping (like a typical undying die-hard Amiga hopeful), that the Amiga part of AROS would have such futuristic aspirations. Sure, rocking the server market and taking a pie from Linux/*BSD would be great, or the embedded world from Symbian, etc, but that's not the future I meant - I meant future as in "it's not here yet", and who says *that* can't be fun? :-)<BR/><BR/>Enough talking to myself in this old old thread!<BR/><BR/>Cheers to all!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-56593854847728171052007-11-27T07:22:00.000-05:002007-11-27T07:22:00.000-05:00Another good interview by Paul.<BR/><BR/>But at the same time, it's kind of a "downer" to see the originator of the project lose interest in Amigas (the physical entity) and sort of drift off the project (contrasting this with Linus and Linux) into something that's not as interesting (Java/Eclipse, etc), granted that this is my opinion, but I believe there's more intriguing technology out there.<BR/><BR/>Of course it's his life and his right, and he is who he is, and things do "happen". Can't do anything but wish him best of luck in his endeavours and hope to see him turn back at some point.<BR/><BR/>At the same time I have a feeling this (Aaron's public image) is perhaps related to a seemingly partial lack of organizational focus and future-bound direction for the project. I'm new to AROS - although I've been hearing about it for years, I never looked into it as seriously as these last few days - and I must say that thankfully the main site, aros.org, does seem to be quite well put together (informationally, organizationally, documentation wise) for such a small project (compared to other open source projects). So that means a big congratuations to the AROS team. But like I said about organization and future-bound direction, I didn't really have something jump out at me (I had to search for milestones and roadmap, and no prominent "manifesto" exists, other than the typical "about", which is very much anchored in 1995's "about")<BR/><BR/>At the same time I think fortunes will change when more audacious and forward looking leadership takes the helm. The question that will be answered will be: What is AROS's aim for the future?<BR/><BR/>I understand that what is happening right now is "catch-up", in the sense that it's the time when the OS is being built and trying to get any decent "modernity" in it, but future aspirations are always a super-magnet for incoming developers. It also helps focus and hone current directions, in lieu of the future.<BR/><BR/>Anyways, enough mumbling. Next step is to actually code something, coz talk is cheap. Again, congratulations for the team that has made AROS what it is today - more impressive than expected!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1170658233624536622007-02-05T01:50:00.000-05:002007-02-05T01:50:00.000-05:00I am glad this project is going usable, years ago i made my best works ever on amiga, then i got stuck in a mac and at last i bought two pcs, the laptop I using now and another at home. I see the end of this piii/900 close to the horizon and the idea to work on vista does not attract me too much. I really wish to see things as openoffice gimpinkscape and scribus (and hopefully vmware) on AROS that i think look much easier to handle for me than a linux, might be the desktop operating system alternative loth of lusers (me too despite all) wait for, who knows?Simone Bernacchiahttp://www.simonebernacchia.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165698881885985602006-12-09T16:14:00.000-05:002006-12-09T16:14:00.000-05:00Nice to hear from Aron, our Holy Spirit =) <BR/>I hope AROS will rise higher than before these days, we got a lot of new people, ideas and so. DOS.lib code was spotted on a mailing list and with a a permission and guide of an author (interviewed here =) ) we can get it integrated (aAron, please, heat it up if you can - seems that others have no extra feeling to do it). And i can agree - the thing we maybe lost is a<BR/>just a little more strict guidance<BR/>and management. Not a schedule, but a detailed plan. <BR/>Thnx !KeenEarshttp://aros.org/runoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165657523987483472006-12-09T04:45:00.000-05:002006-12-09T04:45:00.000-05:00> Several years ago you introduced<BR/>> me to open-source programming by<BR/>> getting me involved with AROS.<BR/><BR/>Hello Bernardo! :)Michal Schulzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15241829468913957905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165644231942361782006-12-09T01:03:00.000-05:002006-12-09T01:03:00.000-05:00"I did very little for the project, but I've learnt quite a lot from it."<BR/><BR/>great, now that you learned a lot from it, go out find 2 mates and all 3 of you can put someting back and help everyone else in the process, AND DO IT NOW<BR/>good on ya.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165630526892105232006-12-08T21:15:00.000-05:002006-12-08T21:15:00.000-05:00Several years ago you introduced me to open-source programming by getting me involved with AROS.<BR/><BR/>I did very little for the project, but I've learnt quite a lot from it.<BR/><BR/>Thanks Aaron!Bernardo Innocentinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165606008623891862006-12-08T14:26:00.000-05:002006-12-08T14:26:00.000-05:00Its always nice to hear something new about AROS, and developers working on it :]Guess who? :Pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165585281043955972006-12-08T08:41:00.000-05:002006-12-08T08:41:00.000-05:00I'm glad everyone is enjoying it!Paul J. Beelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14955040380680523554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165582929698059412006-12-08T08:02:00.000-05:002006-12-08T08:02:00.000-05:00I've enjoyed reading this interview. Thanks!Michal Schulzhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15241829468913957905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14437807.post-1165578828983454662006-12-08T06:53:00.000-05:002006-12-08T06:53:00.000-05:00Thanks, Interesting Read!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com